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		<description>(Left in response to a now banned commentor.)

I&#039;m amazed you were able to stop petting the unicorn you got as your portion of the stimulus package to write all that.

Let&#039;s try something here occasionally referred to as &quot;facts.&quot;  From that legendary bastion of right-wing reactionary propaganda known as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.manufacturing.net/News-GM-Vs-Toyota-Wages-And-Benefits.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Associated Press&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hourly wages for United Auto Workers laborers at General Motors Corp. factories actually are almost equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour.

The difference is in benefits, with the unionized factories having far higher costs.

GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers.

The UAW has not been able to organize workers at a Toyota plant in this country; it does represent workers at one joint GM-Toyota plant in Fremont, Calif.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also recommended reading is &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/02/20/8369111/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; from Fortune magazine, as listed online by that Rush Limbaugh-loving CNN, detailing the burdens being carried by GM in terms of its contracts with the UAW.

I&#039;d say I&#039;m sorry I pissed you off by shattering your precious fantasies, but I&#039;m not.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m amazed you were able to stop petting the unicorn you got as your portion of the stimulus package to write all that.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try something here occasionally referred to as &#8220;facts.&#8221;  From that legendary bastion of right-wing reactionary propaganda known as the <a href="http://www.manufacturing.net/News-GM-Vs-Toyota-Wages-And-Benefits.aspx" rel="nofollow">Associated Press</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hourly wages for United Auto Workers laborers at General Motors Corp. factories actually are almost equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour.</p>
<p>The difference is in benefits, with the unionized factories having far higher costs.</p>
<p>GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69 including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers.</p>
<p>The UAW has not been able to organize workers at a Toyota plant in this country; it does represent workers at one joint GM-Toyota plant in Fremont, Calif.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also recommended reading is <a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/02/20/8369111/index.htm" rel="nofollow">this article</a> from Fortune magazine, as listed online by that Rush Limbaugh-loving CNN, detailing the burdens being carried by GM in terms of its contracts with the UAW.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say I&#8217;m sorry I pissed you off by shattering your precious fantasies, but I&#8217;m not.</p>
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